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Gear Rumors

What’s Coming From Canon & Nikon In 2016? {Daily Roundup}

By Anthony Thurston on December 27th 2015

Welcome to our roundup series where we will hit on several gear news and rumor topics each day. This gives you a chance to get caught up on all of the day’s news and rumors in one place. Make sure to check back daily for the latest gear news, rumors, and announcements.

New Canon Patents Discovered

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The team over at Canon Rumors has unveiled a couple of new sensor and lens patents pointing to possible tech that we could see unveiled by Big Red in 2016. Amongst the patents, we see the technology pointing to an on-chip A/D converter, as well as improved pixel AF performance in bright conditions.

Neither of these things on their own will point to a significant increase in Canon’s technology in 2016, but as part of a larger push to better compete with Sony, these small pieces could be significant going into the releases we see in 2016.

As for the lens patents, we see a Canon 16-35mm F/2.8L III and a 15-105mm F/2.8-5.6. The 16-35mm would be interesting, given the relative newness of the F/4 version. A faster F/2.8 version could make sense – assuming the optical quality was up to snuff. The other lens, the 15-105mm, has my attention.

I mean sure, it’s an ‘all-in-one’ variable aperture lens, but a maximum aperture of F/2.8 is nice. I am sure it could be popular as a vacation lens.

What Do We Expect From Nikon in 2016?

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2015 was honestly a rather down year for Team Yellow, beyond the D750 (which was a 2014 release) really cementing itself as one of the more popular full-frame cameras on the market, none of Nikon’s 2015 releases really wowed anyone.

If this list of possible 2016 Nikon announcements turns out to be fairly accurate, then it will be a very different story in 2016.  The following list, compiled by Nikon Rumors, indicates some pretty big announcements from Nikon, including the recently leaked D5.

What are your thoughts on these possible 2016 Nikon announcements? Will 2016 be a good year for Team Yellow or will they continue to wallow along in mediocrity?

What Do We Expect From Canon in 2016?

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Much like Nikon, 2015 was – largely – a year to forget for Canon. Sure, they release the current MP king for full frame DSLRs in the 5DS and 5DsR, but Sony still managed to steal the show with their a7R II despite having a lower MP count. Canon did have some impressive lens announcements, but most excitement about these was negated by arguably ridiculous prices.

2016 though has a lot going for Canon if all the of rumored changed come to fruition. The following list, compiled by Canon Rumors, just makes my mouth water for Canon shooters in 2016.

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Lenses

  • Canon EF 16-35 f/2.8L III
  • Canon EF 200-600 f/4.5-5.6L IS
  • An ultrawide non-L EF zoom
  • Canon EF 50 f/1.4 USM
  • Canon EF 600mm f/4 DO IS
  • Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L III
  • Canon EF 200 f/2L IS II
  • Canon EF 800 f/5.6L IS II

What are your thoughts on these possible 2016 Canon announcements? Will 2016 be a good year for Big Red or will they continue to disappoint?

What are your thoughts on today’s roundup? What news/rumors did we miss? What would you like to see covered in future roundups? Leave a comment below and let us know what you think!

Anthony Thurston is a photographer based in the Salem, Oregon area specializing in Boudoir. He recently started a new project, Fiercely Boudoir to help support the growing boudoir community. Find him over on Instagram. You may also connect with him via Email.

Q&A Discussions

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  1. Dave Haynie

    Pretty interesting Canon ADC patent… they’re using an ADC per pixel in that patent. That has two interesting possibilities. One is that, as they mention, that can lead to a 10,000fps video imager. Not that anyone in normal photography or videography needs that, but pretty interesting.

    This also suggests that the conversion could be taking place as the exposure takes place, rather than afterward. That would mean that only digital storage is absolutely necessary with this kind of design — no need for a per pixel charge well as you have in current sensor chips. It’s inherently usable as a global shutter, but with the right level of control, you could actually have a per-pixel exposure setting. Given the one-bit ADC, they could drive the feedback comparator from a log generator rather than simply a sum of accumulated voltage, and implement V-Log in hardware.

    I’m not suggesting they do all of this (much of those things would likely be done up as separate patents), but looking over the architecture, I believe that’s all possible. It’s also telling that this patent has already been granted… suggesting plenty of time has passed for these things to be implemented in real, 2016 products. The only hard rule with patents is that you want the patent applied-for before a product ships using that invention (for most of the world) or within that first year (for the USA).

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    • Dave Haynie

      And yes, on-chip ADC, while perhaps not the only story, is one of the major issues holding back Canon’s dynamic range. After all, dynamic range is signal to noise ratio. The signal peaks are based on the size of your pixels and the size of your charge wells on-chip. But the noise is a bunch of things. There’s thermal noise (the activity of electrons based on heat), which gives you a hard noise floor. There’s pixel noise — the only cure for that is a more light, meaning either larger pixels or, well, more actual light. There’s read noise — basically the system noise that’s generated in reading the chip. That’s what predominates at shorter exposures,

      When you have to take the analog signal in serial, off the sensor chip and onto the ADC that’s on your signal processor, as Canon does, you have architecturally maximized the noise you can encounter in your signal. Moving to row-based on-chip ADCs and a digital MIPI bus to the DSP, as Sony does, eliminates the chip-to-chip analog loss, the need to amplify the signal before transmitting across a PC board (all amplifiers add noise), etc. You still have some noise incurred in moving charge across the chip to the bank of ADCs.

      Following this design, you have the architecturally minimal possible noise in an image sensor, with the ADC at each pixel. That’s not to say the first implementation will or won’t have amazing DR. And that isn’t the whole problem… as Sony has shown, going a BSI or stacked sensor gets you larger pixels for the same pixel grid, also reducing noise. That’s a hill Canon will eventually need to climb to stay competitive (the linked patent doesn’t go into details on that part of the chip).

      However, the extra circuitry suggests two things. One is that Canon’s either dramatically improved their chip lines, or gone to outside foundry, since the very large processes Canon’s known to have seem to me to be at odds with all that additional circuitry. Second thing is that an ADC-per-pixel seems to demand BSI or stacked sensors, since you need space for an ADC, for a 14-16 bit register per pixel.. .all that should be smaller than today’s charge buckets, in the right process.

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  2. Deirdre Ryan

    As a Canon shooter, I’m excited about that 15-105 lens, that looks like it would be fun to use. I would LOVE to see what the Canon EOS-1D X Mark II and the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV will do. I have the Mark III and the 6D, both are great, but I am curious. I don’t need an uber megapixel like the 5DS and the 5DSr bodies.

    I used to shoot film with the Pentax MX black body and the Nikon FM, and I still have those cameras. My first DSLR was the Nikon D100, but it failed on me, plus it never felt right. The Canon 20D that I got was like coming home.

    Now…the Nikon Df…that’s the ONLY Nikon DSLR I would get because it reminds me of my film cameras…how says that a Canon shooter can’t have both systems? Some photographers do.

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  3. Bill Bert

    As Canon shooter for 15 years, recently bought Sony A7R II what do I expect for Canon? Nothing! Whatever they do now they are not trying to be a market leader, that my opinion. They want to protect the Canon user base and if like me has started looking else where for a working camera. Will Canon give a live histogram? No! Will Canon give more dynamic range? No! Will Canon give 4K video? Maybe? Will they make the gear lighter to carry? No! Will they give in camera stabilization? No! They rather have you spend $$$$ buying new lens than the camera have it. Will they give Wifi? Maybe! It should have been in 5SR!

    What I expect from Canon is to release a 5D Mk IV and it will be ok camera. I also expect Canon to believe their own marketing hype telling us photographers this camera is the greatest camera that Canon ever made. Yeah right!

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  4. Paul Nguyen

    2015 was a down year for Canon? I think 2015 was one of the best years Canon has had in a long time. I do agree 2015 was a down year for Nikon, but not for Canon. Just a couple of things Canon did this year:

    1) They released the 11-24mm f/4. This lens is an optical and engineering marvel. If you complain that its price is “arguably ridiculous” then you don’t understand the engineering and design which went into producing a lens such as this. Not only is it the widest rectilinear lens in history, it also dethrones Nikon’s 14-24mm as perhaps the top wide-angle lens of all time. Nikon shooters (like myself) have been hanging the 14-24mm over Canon’s head since 2007 because for a long time, Canon’s top wide-angle was their 16-35mm f/2.8 II, which was neither as wide, nor as optically good.

    2) They released the 50mm f/1.8 STM. This lens right here is one of the best lenses ever released. It’s a seriously sharp lens (check DxOMark and see its performance on the 5DSr if you don’t believe me). It puts all of Canon’s other 50mm lenses to shame including the 50mm f/1.8 II, 50mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.2L. It really is the best 50mm lens Canon has ever made and is a lens that every Canon shooter should go out and buy right now.

    3) The 35mm f/1.4 L II, yes, overpriced. I will agree with you on this one. But a seriously sharp lens that beats out the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 ART (check DxOMark’s graphs, not just their number) and built very well compared to the Sigma. Shows that Canon is still in the game and that their optical engineering is still superior to 3rd party manufacturers.

    4) 5DS/5DSr, you say that Sony “stole the show” with their A7RII, but the only people I hear talking about the A7RII are camera nerds (perhaps like us here), but for people who actually work with their cameras rather than sit around and talk on DPR about how good their dynamic range is actually are buying the 5DS and 5DSr. Heaps of photographers I follow and people I know are flocking to the 5DS and 5DSr, so I don’t think the A7RII “stole the show”.

    5) 7D Mark II, perhaps the best sports and wildlife camera in a few generations. I would personally prefer this camera to the 1DX if i was shooting wildlife for its extra reach, lower cost and smaller size. I don’t know what else we could have asked for in a sports/wildlife camera.

    I don’t know if you’re biased against Canon/Nikon and you’re just pro-Sony, but this year Nikon and Canon released the same number of cameras and lenses than Sony, so I don’t see how you can say that Canon had a down year and Sony had an up year. You sound very pro-mirrorless, anti-mirror to me, but that’s okay.

    I know we all have different opinions, but I find it strange that you call out Canon and Nikon, yet sing praise for Sony. That’s not unbiased journalism to me.

    For the reference, this year Sony released the 28/2, 35/1.4, 90/2.8. Canon released the 11-24/4, 50/1.8, 35/1.4 II and Nikon released the 300/4, 200-500/5.6, 24/1.8, 24-70/2.8 VR.

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    • Anthony Thurston

      Sure, lenswise all three of those companies did the same numbers. But look at the buzz around Canon, Nikon, and Sony’s new cameras. Sony is clearly in the spotlight right now and it’s up to Canon and Nikon to release gear that wows us like Sony has been… in 2015 they failed to do that for the most part. (Also, the 7D2 was 2014)

      As for this “I find it strange that you call out Canon and Nikon, yet sing praise for Sony. That’s not unbiased journalism to me.” It’s simple, Sony is producing gear that is worthy of buzz, Canon and Nikon have been clinging to the past. I own an A7R II, I love it. I have owned both Canon and Nikon in the past as well, and loved them at the time. But right now, while what they are releasing is not bad, its simply not as exciting or attractive as the Sony products at the moment.

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    • Paul Nguyen

      Anthony, thanks for the reply. I appreciate you writing these articles, reading my comments and replying, so if it seems like I’m arguing for the sake of it, I’m not. I have plenty of respect for the time you spend here writing articles that I regularly read.

      Anyway, I think the “buzz” depends on where you look. For example, if you look at wildlife photographers, the Nikon 200-500mm f/5.6 VR generated a heap of buzz, people were excited about the fact that it was an affordable and useful lens.

      That said, however, I don’t think “buzz” is a genuine representation of how good something is. Perhaps it is because today, everything relies on “buzz”, whether that be Facebook “Likes”, re-tweets, or Instagram likes. Ultimately though, I think what matters is what happens when all that buzz has died down. There was never a huge buzz about the D750, almost half of the buzz was negative, from people who expected a tougher build.

      However, one year on from its release, the D750 stands strong as a top seller for Nikon and is a great, balanced camera with very good IQ, focusing capabilities and lens selection. In my opinion, it’s perhaps the most balanced camera you can buy for your money today. Objective reviews favour the D750 very strongly and are generally positive.

      Sure, Sony is generating a lot of buzz with their A7RII, but their A7SII has gone under the radar a bit. Thus, the only real reason why I think the A7RII generated so much buzz was the sensor and the fact that there are a lot of gearheads who are interested in mirrorless at the moment – it’s trendy.

      However, looking at sales data, stats reports from Flickr…etc., the “buzz” hasn’t actually generated that much of a meaningful translation into sales numbers and adoption numbers.

      https://www.flickr.com/cameras/nikon/
      https://www.flickr.com/cameras/sony/

      The D750 has an average daily upload count of 1278, compared with 425 for the A7II, 306 for the A7RII, 276 for the A7R and even less for the A7S. So ultimately, you could argue that the D750 has sold more than the entire A7 lineup of cameras combined. Sure maybe Sony is generating “buzz”, but Nikon and Canon are still selling cameras.

      Being “stuck in the past” isn’t necessarily bad, on traditional photographic metrics, such as focus speed, lens selection and IQ, they are all holding their own, especially when Nikon will launch the D810 successor.

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  5. Joseph Ford

    I’m intrigued with Nikon possible introduction of the 850, even more so the idea of RF wireless speed light system. With all the third party systems out there its good to see a manufactures solution.

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  6. robert s

    “What are your thoughts on these possible 2016 Nikon announcements? Will 2016 be a good year for Team Yellow or will they continue to wallow along in mediocrity?”

    continue with more QC issues AND mediocrity!

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  7. Lauchlan Toal

    Good to have this all together, thanks Anthony. I definitely think that 2016 and 2017 will be big years for camera companies – Nikon, Canon, Pentax, and possibly Sony. Nikon’s going to pull out all the stops with their 100th anniversary, and Canon will need to stay competitive. Pentax will probably try to test the full frame waters and see about getting a foothold they can build on. With Sony having just refreshed the A7 series I’m not sure what their plans are – they do come out with new equipment frequently, but having just done a slew of new updates they may want to lay low for a bit. They’d be in a good position to come out with something very refined after Nikon and Canon exhaust themselves, and in the meantime can focus on sensor fabrication and crop sensor cameras like the A6000.

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  8. Joshua parker

    So much camera sexyness in 2016

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