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Samsung Discontinues NX1? No Tilt-Screen on X-Pro 2? Pentax 645 Lens Leaks {Daily Roundup}

By Anthony Thurston on November 11th 2015

Welcome to our roundup series where we will hit on several gear news and rumor topics each day. This gives you a chance to get caught up on all of the day’s news and rumors in one place. Make sure to check back daily for the latest gear news, rumors, and announcements.

Samsung Discontinues NX1 in Europe?

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It seems that while all the talk of Samsung pulling out of the camera business was incorrect and overblown, some interesting things are happening with Samsung after all.

In this excerpt from a report over on EOSHD, Samsung reps had this to say about the NX1 leaving Europe. “We quickly adapt to market needs and demands. In Europe, we will be discontinuing sales of NX1 cameras for now since there is already much better and upgraded cameras. This is specific to the region – and is not necessarily reflective of conditions in other markets. We will continue to thoroughly evaluate market conditions and will make further adjustments to maintain our competitiveness in emerging Camera categories.”

The particularly interesting piece here is the part where they say that “there is already much better and upgraded cameras.” It is really rare for a company to come out and bluntly say their product is inferior to the competition. To be honest, I don’t think the NX1 is that inferior to the competition at all, if not for lesser lens selection and a few quirks. So it is interesting to hear a Samsung rep say this.

I am also unaware of any cameras available in Europe that are not available here in the US that eclipse the NX1 in any way. So the question for me becomes, if it is inferior in Europe, what makes it less inferior here in the states? It seems to me that this is just a case of no one buying the camera in Europe, so they are cutting their losses.

It is notable that this comes from a source that says a Samsung rep told them this, so there is some salt/wiggle room needed here as there is no written or online proof of this that I have seen. Still, a disturbing development for Samsung fans if it turns out to be true.

No Tilt Screen On the X-Pro 2

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Some new information has leaked saying that the upcoming Fuij X-Pro 2 will not feature a tilt-screen. This is an interesting development because these screens have become almost standard on mirrorless cameras of the recent generation.

While it is most likely not a dealbreaker for most, it does seem like a rather interesting choice to omit a tilt-screen. The only reason, from an engineering standpoint, that I can think of, is maybe they are trying to slim down the body even more and that means no room for tilt hinges.

The X-Pro line already being so small though, I would wonder about making it much smaller and what benefits could possibly be gained from doing so. It is also possible they have just done research and decided that not enough people use the tilt-screen to warrant its inclusion.

What are your thoughts on this? If this turns out to be true, is this a dealbreaker for you on the X-Pro 2?

New Pentax FA 645 35mm f/3.5 AL IF Lens Leaks

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Pentax apparently has some new glass coming down the pipe for their 645 system cameras; the new 645 35mm F/3.5 lens leaked online this morning.

The upcoming lens sports a F/3.5 aperture, 9 aperture blades, and an optical design featuring 10 elements in 7 groups. The outside of the lens is pretty standard Pentax 645 affair with a black body with silver linings.

Leaked Specs

  • New lens design with high-performance aspherical lens, optimized for digital
  • Lens design: 10 elements in 7 groups
  • 35mm equivalent: 27.5mm equivalent (645d/z), 21.5mm equivalent (film 645)
  • High refraction and low dispersion glass, hybrid aspheric lens, high-performance glass mold aspherical lens, HD coating
  • Minimum focusing distance: 0.3m
  • Maximum magnification: 0.25x
  • The diaphragm blades: 9 circular diaphragm blades
  • Inner focus
  • Image circle covers the 645 film SLR
  • SP coating on the front of the lens
  • Filter size: 82mm
  • Equipped with a window for PL filter on the hood
  • Maximum diameter: 88mm
  • Total length: 90mm
  • Weight: 570 grams (610 grams inclusive hood)
  • Suggested retail price in Japan: ¥270,000 (tax included)

The lens is expected to be announced on November 12th with availability coming in early December.

What are your thoughts on today’s roundup? What news/rumors did we miss? What would you like to see covered in future roundups? Leave a comment below and let us know what you think!

Anthony Thurston is a photographer based in the Salem, Oregon area specializing in Boudoir. He recently started a new project, Fiercely Boudoir to help support the growing boudoir community. Find him over on Instagram. You may also connect with him via Email.

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  1. Matthew Hartman

    If you like Samsung NX products and want Samsung to keep them alive sign the petition below and have your voice heard!

    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/samsung-keep-nx-alive

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  2. Austin Swenson

    Any foothold in the photography industry among professionals is going to take some time to build. Personally I think that more options are always better for the economy in terms of keeping prices low and such, but I also think that more and more people are peeking behind the Canon/Nikon curtain to see what’s what, and if Samsung can keep at it, they might be like a Sony or Fuji in a few years. Who knows.

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  3. Arturo Mieussens

    I’ve always thought Samsung’s marketing, at least in Europe, sucks. Their presence on stores is very small, there’s no promotions or anything to draw attention. I think their marketing department really has never made an effort on the camera segment, they’re probably too busy with phones and TVs. Good products with very little behind.

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  4. Mark Romine

    No tilt screen on a mirrorless, me no buy. Very simple.

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  5. Paul Empson

    tilt screens are great.. I use it regularly on my x-t1.. I’d probably hold off ordering the Pro-2 and see what specs a future x-t2 has..

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  6. adam sanford

    That Samsung NX1 is a beast spec-sheet wise: 28MP, 15 FPS *with* AF, and 4K recording.

    And this is happening in more than just Europe: http://goo.gl/stTcrH

    Anyone fancy a firesale? Keep your credit cards ready, I suppose.

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    • Anthony Thurston

      yeah, I don’t really buy that it is inferior to the competition. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

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    • Max C

      People are not buying the NX1 because it doesn’t do anything unique and they have to buy into Samsung small ecosystem. I think the latter is what’s scaring most people away. If the sensor was full frame to help with low light shooting and if they had a bigger lineup of glass, I would have seriously considered buying one.

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    • adam sanford

      Ecosystem? I buy that 100%. But I disagree on uniqueness/differentiation. It’s burst rate and resolution are *best on the planet* for APS-C. Throw in 4K and this rig should sell itself!

      This rig should be to APS-C what the A7R II is to FF — an absolute spec juggernaut that should attract a following.

      So what went wrong with it? Did they ask for too high a price, or was it all ‘concerns of the ecosystem size’ that did it in?

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    • Christopher Bell

      I think that they were unlucky with the speed at which the fuji system grew. Fuji seem to have done an amazing job in tempting buyers who are after a second system or a size down from SLR.

      Sony alpha and fuji systems also seem to get the most amount of webspace (announcements etc) which has also got to figure into peoples decisions.

      There is no debate that the NX1 is a great camera technically but the main two pulls of people moving to other systems seem to be MFT and the fuji X (plus some Sony). That left little room for the samsung system to expand so they have to work harder for every bit of marketshare.

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    • Anthony Thurston

      Personally I think it is three things:

      1. Price – It is fairly expensive, especially if you want it in the kit with one of their nicer lenses.

      2. H265 – While forward thinking, this means an extra step for almost anyone that wants to shoot video with it.

      3. The lens ecosystem. No need to go into detail here, we all know it.

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    • Paul Nguyen

      The troubles of the NX1 was no surprise, however, it is NOT due to the lens ecosystem. Anthony, I don’t think you’ve done your homework in saying the lens ecosystem for the NX1 is bad, you’ve just parroted what many other people are saying without due research.

      Let’s ACTUALLY take a look at what Samsung has to offer.

      They have a 16-50mm f/2 – 2.8, a 50-150mm f/2.8, 30mm f/2, 85mm f/1.4, 45mm f/1.8, 60mm f/2.8 Macro, 12-24mm f/4-5.6…etc.

      That’s not even all of their lenses. That’s just my selection on the best. They have everything covered. They have your standard and short telephoto f/2.8 zooms. They have a couple of fast primes that are good for portraiture (85/1.4, 45/1.8). They have a macro lens, they have a wide angle lens and they even have a great 30mm f/2 pancake which makes the NX1 a tiny camera.

      There’s actually MORE lenses for the NX1 than the Sony A7 system until very recently. Remember that until well after the A7 Mark II was released, Sony only had like 6 lenses for the FE-mount.

      So where do I think it went wrong for Samsung?

      It went wrong for Samsung because they were chasing the wrong crowd with the wrong camera. In this day and age, let’s think about who actually buys mirrorless cameras.

      1) You have the people who buy based on looks and feels and emotion. Fuji has these guys covered, Samsung was never going to dint this market because they don’t have the history that Fuji or Olympus or one of those old guys do and the NX1 just looks too much like your standard DSLR.

      2) Then there are the people who buy based on weight. Again, the heavy NX1 with its very good but large lenses was never really going to out-do the much smaller and more comapct M4/3 system.

      3) You have the people who buy based on specs. Your typical DPR forum guy who cares more about how big the numbers are rather than the actual pictures. These guys are never going to go for an APS-C camera when you have FF mirrorless cameras like the A7 series. Let’s face it.

      Then, finally, you have the rest of us who purchase cameras based on reason and to use for shooting. We lose because Samsung doesn’t get publicity. The press and media jump on Samsung and say they don’t have lenses, they aren’t serious about cameras…etc. and guess what, there’s no DPR forum fanboys to defend it. People need to wake up and realise that the Samsung system is no shorter of lenses than Sony’s A7 system, it’s just that the A7 has a cult following of fanboys who defend it, who get it media/press time and who religiously suggest it to other people and get the camera sold.

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    • Max C

      The average photographer is not thinking about burst rate so that is a feature for sport shooters, which are a small percentage of overall photographers. Those sport shooters go for the canon or nikon. The GH4 shoots 4k with the same sensor as the NX1. If they made it full frame with internal 4k, then it would have been unique and would have been out before the Sony A7r 11. Now it’s too late.

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    • Anthony Thurston

      We will just have to disagree on that point Paul. Pointing to the Sony lens selection only proves that BOTH systems have a lens problem. What gets the A7 series sales is the full frame sensor.

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    • Max C

      Paul you make a lot of good points and thank you for clarifying some misconceptions but Sony cameras are not just good because of fanboys. They are good because they offer a lot of functionality and features that other full-frame cameras don’t offer. As I said, if they only made the NX1 with a full-frame sensor, it would have sold like hot bread.

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    • Unknown Unknown

      IMO its the combination of these:

      1) Samsung does not have a name in photography. Altough they were trying to get into the market with a little inferior products since years.
      2) Lens lineup missing most important lenses: Only 3rd party offerings for a 35 and 50mm 1.4, everything faster than 1.4 is not even available at all.
      3) Price: Yet they tried to sell the NX1 at almost the price of full frame camera. Major fail.

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    • Mark Henry Dela Torre

      The best strategy Samsung should do is to stay in the camera business and continue building cameras and learn from the others. They have the resources. Like what they are doing with their smartphone. It only takes time. They are just new in the dslr and mirrorless camera world and for me they are really doing well for starters.

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    • Dave Haynie

      They sure had a few spec-sheet points: only the second ILC to do in-camera 4K (both UltraHD and DCI), the first BSI sensor in APS format, the highest APS resolution and probably the best overall APS sensor.

      But they made mistakes. HEVC (H.265) is not a part of anyone’s professional workflow today. No one’s supporting it for native editing, and even if they did, that’s likely another 2x-4x hit on your CPU performance, at the same time you’re taking a 4x hit for the HD to 4K transition. And anyone who’s been around video for awhile will remember that it wasn’t until the third generation of AVC cameras that they started to deliver better video than MPEG-2 models.

      And then there’s just the fact they’re Samsung…. up to this point, a complete also-ran in the ILC market, at least outside of Korea. They’re charging substantially more than I’d pay for a GH4, which is still the best supported ILC for 4K shooting. If you’re looking at still shooting, this might be a better option, but anyone looking at mirrorless based on size is going to Olympus, Fujifilm, or Panasonic… anyone happy with the size of a DSLR (the NX1 is actually larger in every dimension and 16% heavier than a Canon 450D/XSi, a bit larger than the mainstream consumer xxxD/Rebels, a close match in size to the 70D, and not substantially smaller, though 21% lighter, than a Canon 6D).

      Then, they do have a decent selection of lenses compared to Sony, but not compared to anyone else. They have little history with higher end cameras, and no one out there pushing these like Sony has — Sony seems to have made good friends with half the photo press these days.

      In shot, nothing wrong with it for some purposes, but not a huge compelling reason to spend that much on questionable system.

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