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Canon Working On a Fixed Lens 4K Camcorder?

By Anthony Thurston on December 6th 2014

We already knew that 2015 had the potential to be the ‘year of 4K’ for Canon, and the latest rumors are just adding more fuel to that fire.

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According to a new rumor coming out of the Canon rumor mill, it seems that Canon has plans to announce a new 4K camcorder with a fixed lens towards the beginning of 2015. This would make sense as a consumer product meant for CES.

The rumor states that not much is known about the camera, other than that it will be called the XC10 and will have similar ergonomics to the C100 series. The key difference between the XC10 and the Cinema line cameras will be that the XC10 will feature a fixed lens. My guess is this will probably be some sort of standard camcorder-like lens, but who knows what Canon decides to do.

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If this is the case, and Canon plans to release a fixed lens 4K camcorder, you can almost be assured that Canon will finally go ahead and bring 4K to their Pro DSLR lineup, namely the rumored 5D and 1D replacements coming in 2015.

I know many of you are photographers who seldom use, or could care less about 4K. But for you video people, let’s say Canon’s next round of DSLRs do have 4K, but only marginally better sensors (in terms of dynamic range or ISO performance), would you upgrade or make the move to Sony?

[via Canon Rumors]

Anthony Thurston is a photographer based in the Salem, Oregon area specializing in Boudoir. He recently started a new project, Fiercely Boudoir to help support the growing boudoir community. Find him over on Instagram. You may also connect with him via Email.

Q&A Discussions

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  1. Joshua Deston

    “2015 had the potential to be the ‘year of 4K’ for Canon”???? really??? i thought 2014 and 2013 or earlier had the potential since thats what you would expect from a so called leading manufacturer, Canon you’ve missed the boat. A fixed lens 4K camera in what used to be hdv style market? hmmm is there a need well i guess, but im no longer one of those people. when i went from the xha1s to the 7d many years back i learnt that camera and lens should never be “fixed” its to limiting to you creative potential. Canon im sure u will sell them but i think you miss the point and you simply are acting like a 3 year old that doesnt want to face the fact that you are doing it wrong. That said i love my 5D3 but would never buy this camera compared to what is out there today, and yes i Know its 3 years old.

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  2. Mac MacDonald

    I’d be interested given the price isn’t absurd. Of course, one mans definition of absurd is another mans definition of reasonable.

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  3. adam sanford

    Full disclaimer — I shoot stills and do not shoot video with my 5D3. So please help me understand:

    My brand (Canon) seems to be stumbling strategically on the video front. Much like how Canon has nerfed/crippled/undersupported its mirrorless cameras to avoid cannibalizing DSLR sales, Canon sure seems to not want DSLRs to cannibalize Cinema EOS sales. Consider that 4K is available on an m43 rig *but the new 7D2 doesn’t offer it*?

    Smaller and cheaper cameras will continue to climb up-market and offer similar features to more premium products for less money. The GH4 is a great example of that. Why Canon continues to nerf/cripple its new releases seems a miss to me.

    Video folks — help me understand this better. Is Canon trying to funnel all of you to Cinema rigs? How on earth will that work if cheaper rigs deliver similar feature sets? Just curious.

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    • Herm Tjioe

      The Cinema EOS line of cameras have inherently a more video-centric set of features and control ergonomics. The DSLRs obviously don’t. For Canon NOT to support 4K into the DSLRs is not what I think to be the case. These are two different breed of tools to shoot videos. Thus two different markets with some crossovers. I believe Canon is aware of this and is going to intro the 4K into the DSLR field

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    • Joshua Deston

      I think you are spot on, Canon are still trying to play both games Video Vs Photog. Sure there is a market for a video style camera like c100/300 with all the right buttons and ergonomics BUT when u have cheap rigs like gh4 and A7s you cant leace your equivalent cameras so lacking, Canon needs to step up or 2015 will be my year of moving to Sony

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    • Joshua Deston

      “2015 had the potential to be the ‘year of 4K’ for Canon”???? really??? i thought 2014 and 2013 or earlier had the potential since thats what you would expect from a so called leading manufacturer, Canon you’ve missed the boat. A fixed lens 4K camera in what used to be hdv style market? hmmm is there a need well i guess, but im no longer one of those people. when i went from the xha1s to the 7d many years back i learnt that camera and lens should never be “fixed” its to limiting to you creative potential. Canon im sure u will sell them but i think you miss the point and you simply are acting like a 3 year old that doesnt want to face the fact that you are doing it wrong. That said i love my 5D3 but would never buy this camera compared to what is out there today, and yes i Know its 3 years old.

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    • Dave Haynie

      Canon does have 4K in a DSLR… if you have the $11K or so to spring for an EOS 1D C. And yeah, I think you have it exactly right — Canon is trying to steer higher-end videographers to higher end gear. Given that, supposedly, about half the 5D market uses their cameras almost exclusively for video, it’s not that Canon’s exactly suffering. And if you’re intent on moving up in the video world, it’s good to know you can get into really good HD on a Canon today and move to pro camcorder models that use your same glass.

      Sure, Sony and Panasonic both do that, too, for variable values of “pro camcorder”. But they’re also really hungry. Canon has the market — Sony and Panasonic are both going after Canon and against each other (in Japan, the largest mirrorless market, Sony and Panasonic have been strongly competitive, selling much of the same kind of thing)… they need to draw in buyers by doing more than Canon. The GH4 and the Alpha A7s are pretty much aimed directly at Canon … the GH4 is even unencumbered (in the USA, anyway) by 29’59” recording limits. And you can add on a port brick that gets you most of the I/O you’re missing going to a DSLR rather than a real camcorder.

      I think Canon will eventually cave, but as I said, I don’t expect them to be first. There may be other issues, too… it’s pretty obvious looking at the hardware that Canon’s current generation are fast enough in video DSP and in data transfer to handle 4K. But you need the right sensor, too, and while I’d be surprised if they didn’t include 4K capabilities in the sensor used in the 70D, there’s no evidence they have that anywhere else.

      This isn’t news, and in fact, the whole DSLR video revolution is based on much the same thing, “technology rationing”. You have the capability to include a bunch of new features, but you don’t… because you’re either protecting the higher-end models or you’re protecting next year’s models. After all, it’s Canon’s job to sell me as many bodies as they can get me to buy. So they need new models all the time, or I’m going to go and buy that GH4. If they put in everything that could be done in a new model, they’d not only put Magic Lantern out of business, they’d have a real hard time following that up next year. So lots of stuff that’s released is based on what the market will buy as an upgrade… and it’s an educated guess, as they don’t necessarily know what the other guys are doing.

      I actually got into micro four thirds, in addition to Canon, because of video. That was some years back, I didn’t get a video model (started with an Olympus Pen, then an OM-D), but with Panasonic in the game, it was pretty clear that the ecosystem would be pretty video capable. Now, with Black Magic Design and JVC involved as well (and lots of lens makers … even Carl Zeiss is doing video lenses in m43), it’s a great place for video. I’m shooting that on my Canons, but if I needed 4K today, I think I would get that GH4.

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    • Dave Haynie

      Sony, Panasonic, and JVC have all done 4K fixed lens camcorders. It’s kind of Canon’s obligation, as the fourth horseman of the camcorder industry, to make one as well.

      As mentioned above, I’m certain the Alpha A7s and the DMC-GH4 both have 4K because Sony and Panasonic want a piece of the 5D market. And I think that’s Canon’s big problem… they ignore their 5D market at their own peril. After all, it’s pretty clear that much of the EOS C business comes out of videographers who spent on EOS gear, probably including the 5D. Most other companies don’t have anywhere to send them, but Sony and Panasonic certainly do.

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